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Servant leaderhood: Eventually you<\/strong> will stumble across a various and AMAZING human belief subculture. We’ll trying to discuss this from the BIBLE perspective, but while we’re at work on it, I’ll post this Life Eyewitness teaser:<\/p>\n

\u00a0PART 1 <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

IF YOU’RE TO BORN TO\u00a0 HANG (PREDESTINATION AND RESIGNED FATALISM)<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Dedicated to one of my memorable favorite , major personas, the late “Grandpa Jim” (where ever he may be)\u00a0“If you’re born to hang, you’ll never drown!”<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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My departed father-in-law, a hu<\/strong>ge, mentally tough, self-raised former \u201cGyrene\u201d (his word for Marine), also railroad worker WHO at one point brought his Marine blanket\u00a0 to show me, which I envisioned still\u00a0 might have\u00a0 the sands of Iwo Jima on it. He was loud and gruff and had many tattoos and smoked, He wore his favorite tee shirts around the house with the sleeves rolled up and the cigarette packaged folded in. For he was the complete opposite of my careful, silent, much happier pastor father.<\/p>\n

Afterwards I understood him,<\/strong> as I got to know him and enjoy him as well deeply as respect him, for\u00a0 I understood where he had come up\u00a0 from\u2014how he was raised by a single mom who worked very hard and had to release him to the streets to figure life out due to her hard work ethic. In his right, we want to see him as loving, giving, and also (even brutally honest), for he had done well with himself and was a great, respectful, non-meddling, dear father-in-law.<\/p>\n

However, he was not interested in being saved<\/strong>, which I understood due to the dreary spirit of anti-Christian religion where he lived and the narrow-minded, depicted people who named themselves as \u201csaved Christians.\u201d I took a big liking to him once I got past the mentally tough and LOUD first veneer, for he was not mean or attacking but was very forthright and would say things out loud, in public, that I and all of his family,\u00a0 felt were\u00a0 far too conspicuous, vocal. However,\u00a0 he was a person of Truth\u2014also relatable and and kind..Perhaps\u00a0 he could be a bit of a handful (bombastic personality) however, he not a dominating giant ego, nor angry, and he was giving and generous with his family, just more brusque and loud than I was accustomed to. And he could and enjoy life…and also a terrific grandfather and non meddling father in law!<\/p>\n

I took count of the witty, repeated sayings that he would comment LOUDLY and ADAMANTLY (to my and the others in the family\u2019s deep chagrin, for it turned out that as he had served America by going to World War II, he had picked up a fungus in one or maybe both of his ears, which made him hard of hearing). I enjoyed him, as he was very witty, and I recall three statements he repeated often in private but also in public. I will mention three of the four, for the fourth might be considered racist.<\/p>\n

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    \u201cHe (she, they) are not wrapped too tight!\u201d<\/p>\n<\/li>\n

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    \u201cIf you are born to hang, you\u2019ll never drown.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/li>\n

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    (Would be viewed as racist.)<\/p>\n<\/li>\n

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    (He said to back then when I was thinner (granting me favor with teasing smile) “You’re so skinny that soon you’ll\u00a0 \u00a0have to drink muddy water to keep people from seeing through you!”<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    I will address #2 (fatalism) in the following article. I want to theologically and Bible Scripture discuss the following<\/p>\n

    1. The Lambs Book Life (people are<\/strong> into due to God’s heart desire, yet them free will and they can get their names blotted) this does apply to the innocent children, mentally deficient or ones who God’s can still “realize him’ around the globe (due to Holy Spirit) without hearing the name of Christ” (yes, this is not autocratic steel dogma, but a submitted ministry Selah and logic)<\/p>\n

    LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE, THE BIBLE <\/span><\/h2>\n

    VS PREDESTINATION, CALVINISM & FATALISM<\/span><\/h2>\n
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    Concept<\/th>\nMeaning<\/th>\nBible Review (KJV\/Hebrew-Greek Insight)<\/th>\nTheological Balance<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
    Predestination<\/strong><\/td>\nGod\u2019s foreknowledge and predetermined plan for those in Christ<\/em>.<\/td>\nRomans 8:29\u201330<\/strong> \u2014 \u201cWhom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate\u2026\u201d Greek prooriz\u014d<\/em> = to set bounds beforehand.<\/td>\nNot fatalistic; based on God\u2019s foreknowledge, not coercion.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
    Calvinism (5 Points)<\/strong><\/td>\nTULIP doctrine: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Perseverance of Saints.<\/td>\nEphesians 1:4\u20135<\/strong> speaks of being chosen \u201cin him\u201d before creation \u2014 corporate<\/em>, not individual determinism.<\/td>\nOveremphasizes sovereignty; often neglects human free will and warnings against falling away.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
    Fatalism<\/strong><\/td>\nThe belief that human choice cannot alter destiny.<\/td>\nContradicts Deut. 30:19<\/strong> \u2014 \u201cI have set before you life and death\u2026 therefore choose life.\u201d<\/td>\nUnbiblical. God\u2019s sovereignty includes human choice and responsibility.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
    Free Will (Biblical View)<\/strong><\/td>\nHumanity can respond or resist grace.<\/td>\nRevelation 22:17<\/strong> \u2014 \u201cWhosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.\u201d<\/td>\nGod invites, not coerces. Grace empowers obedience, not overrides choice.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

    With all of the well known theology out of the way, I prefer to go directly to the Bible:<\/p>\n

    More will follow in depth: this is the First Part<\/p>\n

    The point this person makes is The Lamb’s Book of Life real factor (I have a Ministry AI and I on this https:\/\/www.ministryaiandi.com<\/a> (for B.R. (Binge Reading) Scholarly Idea Resource) If you flip to that site, it is listed in the TOP FAVORITE ARTICLE .. on the right hand site<\/strong><\/p>\n

    The Lamb’s Book of Life Bible Research WITH “Can I lose my salvation’ Bible scriptures<\/span><\/p>\n

    https:\/\/ministryaiandi.com\/2025\/08\/28\/curious-about-the-lambs-book-of-life\/<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

    A PAUSE TO HONOR:<\/strong> I never would have realized that there is a Lamb’s Book. of Life that is deep important, had I not volunteered to serve in a Wednesday Night Missionettes Class because my children were young, and the leader mentioned it. And I thought “WHERE HAS THIS BEEN?” I’d never ever heard about it. And my own pastor father or anyone after even mentioned it… and\u00a0 that caused my theological deep curiosity to\u00a0 grew!’ Swift Creek Baptist Church, the pastor at that time.<\/p>\n

    Now we truly begin:<\/span><\/h2>\n

    PASTOR COMMENTARY: THE LAMB\u2019S BOOK OF LIFE & GOD\u2019S JUST MERCY<\/span><\/h2>\n

    \u00a01. The Lamb\u2019s Book of Life \u2014 Heaven\u2019s Record of Relationship<\/span><\/h3>\n

    Respected pastors and teachers, the Lamb\u2019s Book of Life<\/strong> (Revelation 21:27) is not a static list of pre-chosen elect but a living register<\/em> of those who have responded to God\u2019s redeeming invitation through the Blood of Christ.
    From Exodus 32:33<\/strong> to Revelation 3:5<\/strong>, God consistently links this Book with human response \u2014 repentance, obedience, and abiding relationship.<\/p>\n

    This is apostle T’s big ministry POINT: <\/strong><\/p>\n

    Every human born is written into life<\/em> (<\/strong>Psalm 139:16; 69:28). Yet Scripture shows names can be blotted out<\/strong> \u2014 not by divine cruelty, but by persistent rejection of the Light they have received (John 3:19\u201321). Thus, this Book reveals both God\u2019s sovereignty<\/strong> and human stewardship<\/strong> of choice.<\/p>\n

    BIG KEY MAIN POINT: <\/span><\/h3>\n

    2. The Misreading of Ephesians 1 \u2014 Not \u201cUnfair Predestination\u201d<\/span><\/h3>\n

    Ephesians 1:4-5 says,<\/p>\n

    \u201cAccording as he hath chosen us in him<\/strong> before the foundation of the world\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n

    The Greek phrase en aut\u014d<\/em> (\u201ci<\/strong>n Him\u201d) is crucial. God predestined the plan<\/strong> \u2014 that all who are in Christ<\/em> would be conformed to His image \u2014 not that individuals would be arbitrarily selected while others were eternally doomed.
    \u00a0++ Paul\u2019s focus is corporate destiny<\/em>, not fatalistic exclusion.<\/strong><\/p>\n

    ++<\/strong>Thus, election in Scripture is not favoritism b<\/strong>ut foreknowledge<\/strong> (progn\u014dsis<\/em>, 1 Peter 1:2). God foresaw those whose hearts would yield to truth and love (Romans 8:29). Predestination, then, secures the path<\/strong>, not the puppet<\/span><\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

    \u00a03. The Justice of God and the Heart of Choice<\/span><\/h3>\n

    From Genesis onward, God gives humanity the dignity of choice:<\/p>\n

    \u201cI have set before you life and death\u2026 therefore choose life<\/strong>\u201d (Deuteronomy 30:19).<\/p>\n

    This divine appeal rings through the ages \u2014 it presupposes freedom.
    To claim that millions are predestined to damnation<\/em> <\/strong>contradicts the revealed nature of God, who is love<\/em> (1 John 4:8) and is not willing that any should perish<\/em> (2 Peter 3:9).<\/strong>
    Hell, then, is not the result of divine bias but of human hardening.<\/strong><\/p>\n

    TD aside: “As some have it before now<\/strong>, “the choice to go to Hell for Eternity is not due to God sending them, but to their choices\u00a0 to avoid Him, to please themselves and to go their OWN way, not his as expressly taught in His Holy Bible Scriptures. (again this does mean innocent children, mentally deficient or persons who never heard of Christ’s saving Name or salvation call.<\/em><\/p>\n

    4. The Innocent, the Unreached, and the Mentally Deficient<\/span><\/h3>\n

    Pastors, we must also affirm what both Scripture and God\u2019s nature imply:<\/p>\n